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Like our last several post, here’s some back and forth from a conversation

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- Republican Gov. Scott Walker survives Recall Election.

This election has been touted as a test case for the national elections in Nov. This affirmation of tea party/conservatism in a swing state that went Obama in 2008 is a good sign for Nov.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57447954-503544/wisconsin-recall-walker-opens-slight-lead-as-votes-are-counted/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/05/polls-close-in-wisconsin-voter-turnout-reported-heavy/

- My fear is that the republican half of this country is divided like crazy. Many dont care for Romney. And he is the only hope that we get a republican. And not a very good one. So if our republican votes are all over the place as opposed to getting behind one man. Then we get Obama again. Don’t get me wrong you should vote for who you believe in but that is exactly what will get us Obama again. I think the Republicans are all over place and not everyone cares for Romney. Hell they are still voting for Santorum in some places and he has dropped out. I hope like hell it does not happen but we have just as good a chance of getting Obama right now as we ever have.

Signed the admittedly politically ignorant.

-Romney is a gigantic piece of crap.
1. The guy banned an entire class of weapons… And continues to say it was the right thing to do, while claiming to support the 2nd (which he has also said is ‘outdated’).

He will sign an AWB if put on his desk…. Just like he said Bush should have done.

Any politician that does not trust me with a firearm, I don’t trust with my vote.

2. He was pro-choice before he was pro-life… A perfect example of him pandering to get elected, then changing position to try to win another election.

3. He CREATED the first US State sponsored HC program that included public mandates… Now because saying he is against it will help him try to get elected, he is against it? WTF?!?!? He has ZERO credibility on the subject. How can he bash a program that was designed off if his own program? He is claiming that both it and the 2nd issue should be States rights…. Ah no, the 2nd is in the Federal Constitution… I am not sure Romney has actually read much less understood the Bill of Rights.

In debates he is going to loose his ass when the HC system is mentioned. Obama will just mention that it is exactly like the one he signed.

4. Romney is loaded…. I don’t hold that against him, but the occupy people sure as hell will. Bain Capital will haunt him. This is the ONE area I actually like Romney, he has a history of taking organizations going to crap and making them work… Still, it will be seen as a him being a bully and laying off people.

The only reasons Romney *might* get my vote is because it looks like the only judges to retire from the Supreme Court are the liberals and it would be good to get another Conservative on the bench… Of course Reagan nominated Kennedy and that did not exactly work out and I don’t see Romney as one ounce conservative. He plays fast and loose with the Constitution.

The other reason is because he is not Obama.

But in many issues Romney’s position has flipped so many times it is impossible to know where he stands and he has shown he is no against changing his position to get elected.

In other words… He is a gigantic piece of crap.

-All of this is why I say we don’t have a replacement for Obama that everyone stands behind. We have four or five out there and there for we may be fucked.

-I’ll admit…. I don’t stand behind him. He is a fucktard. In many ways he is MORE liberal than Obama and the simple fact is that Romney has been WORSE for gun rights than Obama.

-He is not my pick. I haven’t liked him since I first saw him in one of the debates. He is a shyster used car sales man at best. My point is simply that we don’t have a single person that all agree on There for our votes will be split all over the board. Therefore we get the career campaigner again! We are basically fucked for another 4!

-Currently there is no other conservative running. So we will not be all over the place. The more likely scenario is a guy like me that will vote, but only for the House, Senate and local races and just skip voting for that jackass.

Obama may win because I can’t support that jackass… But I will not be voting FOR that jackass and then have him screw me over.

-We are fucked because BOTH parties want more control and the populace as a whole is full of idiots that want a free handout.
Give a child the choice of a health meal with vegetables or ice cream and they will choose ice cream. Voters are exactly like this. The Wisconsin election many people see as a ray of hope…. But France had a moment of fiduciary responsibility and just recently said, “Thats TOO HARD….” and elected a fucking socialist.

As long as the people on handouts get to vote… They will vote for bigger handouts. The only good thing is that Dems have notoriously had higher voters on the rolls… But they don’t bother to vote. Obama was an exception since the black turnout for 18- to 24-year-old voters was at 55 percent, an 8 percent increase from 2004 and Black voter’s were up 4.9%. In 2004, the gap between white and black turnout rates was nearly seven percentage points. It was less than one percentage point four years later. And Black, Hispanic and Asian voters made up nearly a quarter of the electorate, setting a record.

So the problem is that many people showed up just to “Vote for the black guy”. Yes, some people also showed up to “Vote against the black guy” but white voters actually DECREASED in 2008 by 1.1 percent.

Still, it does not really matter who is in office…. Each party just increases the strength and power of the Govt. The OWS people were pissed at the 1% of Americans that were millionaires… Yet they didn’t seem upset that a full 50% of the congress and senate were millionaires.

-I don’t like him either, but its official, he has the delagates, he will be the republician nominee.

If you have a job, the single most important issue for you should be the repeal of the hra, obama care, it sure is for me.

I’m going to vote romney for that reason, I learned my lesson in 91, 92, my vote for Perot was a vote for clinton. Abstaining is just as dumb.

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I’d love to hear your thoughts on this important presidential election coming up in 2012!

June 5th of this year, Venus made it’s last transit of our lifetime (assuming you won’t live past 200). This event was viewed at our headquarters by using binoculars, reversed from normal viewing direction, and a piece of plain white paper. While this method has some drawbacks, the simplicity makes it a perfect solution for most folks. The advantage to using binoculars is that a large group of folks can view the transit at the same time, sharing the once in a lifetime experience with all present.
Here is a picture we took of the passing as it had just begun on June 5th of 2012.

First off, the change to a 19 pin charging cable, if Apple does indeed make the change during release of the iPhone 5 would be a huge windfall of money. I suppose we can just stop there if we are looking for justification.
This conversation really got started a few weeks ago when some fellows at the local barber shop were discussing where to get a micro USB cable. The banter that ensued was entertaining to say the least. Some good points came out though. The way Apple controls the ecosystem is absolute! See below…
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-Anybody have an extra micro usb cord/charger they don’t need that I can have?

-WOW and I thought I was a cheap ass when I just wanted to barrow a wrench. You don even want to barrow. You just want shit given to you.

-Edith. Go out and buy Jesus a cable. I think you can squeeze that on your bike with your baggy of ice and 2 beers.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-did you get a good phone, that needs one?

-Good phones don’t use micro usb

-I thought a cable guy might understand this, but:

Logic insists that if one end of a cable has 4 conductors, as does the other end, this is a well designed cable. Additionally, by being an industry standard, I carry one cable and a usb power source and can keep several devices charged.

On the other hand, a cable that has 4 conductors on one end and the other end has 30, well that’s just retarded.

-Damn

-And I thought that was called future proofing, so you would be able to overcome limitations of something is USB. Hence hdmi output, audio output, USB 3.0 and any other future product like thunderbolt. This prevents being locked in to limitations on a crappy platform.

-Susy you are forgetting that the device is capable of doing much more than charging and establishing a serial connection to a pc. Of course it has more than 4 conductors. USB, Firewire, audio, controls, etc etc etc.

I don’t blame you for being jealous…you probably only charge your phone with your cable so you’re getting a glimpse of what REAL technology can do here…take deep breath’s.

http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/iPhone_connector_pinout.shtml

Pin Signal Description
1 GND Ground (-), internally connected with Pin 2 on iPhone motherboard
2 GND Audio & Video ground (-), internally connected with Pin 1 on iPod motherboard
3 Right Line Out – R (+) (Audio output, right channel) . See also Apple iPhone headset connector pinout
4 Left Line Out – L(+) (Audio output, left channel)
5 Right In Line In – R (+)
6 Left In Line In – L (+)
8

9

10

11 GND If connected to GND the iPhone sends audio signals through pin 3-4, otherwise it uses onboard speaker.
12 Tx iPhone sending line, Serial TxD
13 Rx
iPhone receiving line, Serial RxD

14 RSVD Reserved
15 GND Ground (-), internally connected with pin 16 on iPhone motherboard
16 GND USB GND (-), internally connected with pin 15 on iPhone motherboard
17 RSVD Reserved
18 3.3V 3.3V Power (+) ?
19,20 +12V Firewire Power 12 VDC (+)
21 Accessory Indicator/Serial enable
Different resistances indicate accessory type:
1kOhm – docking station, beeps when connected
68kOhm – makes iPhone 3g send audio through line-out without any messages
500kOhm – related to serial communication / used to enable serial communications Used in Dension Ice Link Plus car interface
1MOhm – Belkin auto adaptor, iPod shuts down automatically when power disconnected Connecting pin 21 to ground with a 1MOhm resistor does stop the ipod when power (i.e. Firewire-12V) is cut. Looks to be that when this pin is grounded it closes a switch so that on loss of power the Ipod shuts off. Dock has the same Resistor.

22 TPA (-) FireWire Data TPA (-)
23 5 VDC (+) USB Power 5 VDC (+)
24 TPA (+) FireWire Data TPA (+)
25 Data (-) USB Data (-)
26 TPB (-) FireWire Data TPB (-)
27 Data (+)
USB Data (+)
Pins 25 and 27 may be used in different manner.

To charge an iPhone 3G / iPod Touch 2nd gen or Ipod Classic (6th Gen), usb data- (25) should be at 2.8v, usb data+(27) should be at 2.0v. This can be done with a few simple resistors: 33k to +5v (23) and 22k to gnd(16) to obtain 2v and 33k to +5v and 47k to gnd to obtain 2.8v. This is a notification to the iphone that it is connected to the external charger and may drain amps from the usb.

It’s also possible to charge the iPod’s or iPhone’s battery to make use the of internal +3.3v output (18) terminal to connect the USB Data + (27) thru a 47k ohms resistor and the USB Data- (25) thru a 47k resistor to the USB Power source +5v (23). This way the USB function is still useable for normal operations and makes it easier the fit in a plug. The resistors are not to critical 2x 150k’s still work.

28 TPB (+) FireWire Data TPB (+)
29,30 GND FireWire Ground (-)
Back side of dock connector;
2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30
1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 25 27 29
Pins 1,2 connected on motherboard.
Pins 15,16 connected on motherboard.
Pins 19,20 connected on motherboard.
Pins 29,30 connected on motherboard.

-Ouch!!!! That is gonna leave a mark!!!! Hahahaha

Sent from my iPhone

-I was at this site to determine that there were 30 (26 useless) pins

-That your response has so few characters says it all! Hahahaha

-Want some rant? Ok I will provide.

Lets see the apple iPod 30 pin connector has been available since October of 2001, so the is nearly 11 years on the single connector style. USB came out in 1996 with a type A and type B and then in 2000 mini-a and mini-b and in 2007 micro-a and micro-b. So there are typically only 3 cables needed for most USB mobile devices mini-b, micro-b, and a non-standard USB proprietary plug that apparently is used on some devices. If you using a printer you may need a USB A to B cable as well. In fact it is so bad that you can find USB 5 to 11 piece kits to handle all of the variations. Now there is USB 3.0 so we have a new USB 3.0 micro-b connector to add to our collection. This leads me to believe that having the one 30 pin cable is much better than the combination of cables 4 different cables over the same 11 year period. Plus there is the fact that USB is pretty much just data and power. The 30 pin connect has audio in, audio out, video out, svideo out, ,componet out, serial, FireWire, USB, power in, power out. Personally I do not see how you can justify your position of the cable being retarded, unless of course your referring to yourself being retarded. Just saying.

-Try a better site. Http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinouts.shtml

Some pins serve multiple purposes.

-Now I don’t know what I need.

I found a plantronic Blue tooth headset and I want to charge it

Sent from my iPhone

-Jesus is confused on computer stuff again…thanks all

Sent from my iPhone 3GS

-Since there has been a request…

SO, the 30 pin cable has been available since 2001, and it has alot of features… how many do you use? My phone has a micro usb that I use to charge it (4 pins), that I use to connect it to the PC for occasional access as removable harddrive. It also has HDMI output capabilities, using the same micro usb port (same 4 pins, I don’t know how they do that.) using a cable adapter. Since I never use this feature, this adapter is in a drawer in my office.

on the subject of cable for removable harddrive, I don’t use this any more, since the android has an open/accessible file system, and I downloaded a very usable SMB client app, I can now move any file/files I want effortlessly via the WiFi adding media of my choice, or pulling off blocks of photos or whatever, without the need to interface via a hugely limiting software interface.

My point being that since 2001 every iphone/pod/pad user has been carrying around a 4x too big, 30 pin, 10x too fragile cable because apple decided to make it uber future proof and add every conceivable feature. While I carry around a “right sized” cable.

Adding to the above, with regard to the hugely limiting software interface. I continue to feel that a network capable device that is broken/turned off/disabled out of the box until you plug it into a PC running iTunes is unacceptible. That you can only add approved media via the broke dick interface provided by iTunes is unacceptable. That you can’t then (legally) get your content back off is unacceptable.

My most recent experience with the software package of the Dark Lord was just last night, My friend called on behalf of another friend. She has a work Mac Book Pro (Herein: MBP) and a new iPhone… the work MBP had a shared login, that is when the old employee moved on, she was handed the PC and the user/pass and has been using it that way for 6 months. She fell under the evil spell of the apple empire and bought an iPhone. She came home with her new brick and plugged it into the PC. iTunes started using the old employees creds, warned her that it was about to sync with his stuff, she didn’t want this and aborted. They called me to try to figure out how to take his account off the PC. I instructed them under the store menu to deauth this PC. it wants his user and pass which they don’t have. I talked them through creating another user on the PC, or about authorizing another account along side his within itunes, though this may have unpredictible results per syncing the phone and selecting which account. Both scenarios have drawbacks for her, one she has been using this login on the MBP for 6 months and kind of has things the way she wants them, having dual accounts within iTunes has obvious flaws… When the phone call ended she was going to ponder the options… oh yeah, her new iPhone was still a brick as it had not been successfully assimilated with the borg.

While this isn’t typical, this sort of thing is not unheard of, and for me as 99.99% of my experience is people getting into jams and calling me for help, this is all I ever see or hear of iTunes.

I guess for the time being, we can all agree to disagree. I will continue to refuse to participate in using a closed propitiatory system which is designed to simplify the flow of money from the users to the iTunes store, and continue to feel sorry for those of you who I used to feel had some technological savvy and wonder how it is you ended up buying into this “sit down, shut up, you can’t have it your way, you will like it our way” philosophy that is all things apple.

Fuck it, I am going home to format my MBP and re-install windows from scratch eliminating the HSF partitioning, bypassing bootcamp installing a nice big NTFS partition on the entire drive.

I will need a large windows logo sticker to put over the apple on the back of the screen, anyone have one of those laying around?

-Want some rant? Ok I will provide.

Lets see the apple iPod 30 pin connector has been available since October of 2001, so the is nearly 11 years on the single connector style. USB came out in 1996 with a type A and type B and then in 2000 mini-a and mini-b and in 2007 micro-a and micro-b. So there are typically only 3 cables needed for most USB mobile devices mini-b, micro-b, and a non-standard USB proprietary plug that apparently is used on some devices. If you using a printer you may need a USB A to B cable as well. In fact it is so bad that you can find USB 5 to 11 piece kits to handle all of the variations. Now there is USB 3.0 so we have a new USB 3.0 micro-b connector to add to our collection. This leads me to believe that having the one 30 pin cable is much better than the combination of cables 4 different cables over the same 11 year period. Plus there is the fact that USB is pretty much just data and power. The 30 pin connect has audio in, audio out, video out, svideo out, ,componet out, serial, FireWire, USB, power in, power out. Personally I do not see how you can justify your position of the cable being retarded, unless of course your referring to yourself being retarded. Just sayin.

-Damn

Sent from my iPhone

-I thought a cable guy might understand this, but:

Logic insists that if one end of a cable has 4 conductors, as does the other end, this is a well designed cable. Additionally, by being an industry standard, I carry one cable and a usb power source and can keep several devices charged.

On the other hand, a cable that has 4 conductors on one end and the other end has 30, well that’s just retarded.

-Good phones don’t use micro usb

-I use many of the 30 pins to view movies, listen to music, change tracks and volume etc…you don’t know what you’re missing cause you’ve never had them.

I too add and move files via smb or ftp or sftp or other via wifi

Every iphone since 2001 has been prepared for whatever the user wanted to plug into. Again, Android users don’t understand they are missing this, cause they never had it.

The “hugely limiting software interface” you refer to is the most prolific every created, and most stable environment ever created by any hardware/software manufacturer ever. It’s stable for 1 reason…you can’t jack with it. You can add any media you want, even if it’s ripped or stolen, Not sure where you get the idea you can’t…you can get the media off as well by burning it to disc tracks.

Stupid users as you described will fuck up anything given long enough. This scenario is in no way tied to or specific to apple or it’s products. In fact, by comparison of volume, Microsoft has Apple beat hands down percentage and gross volume wise I’m sure.

The technologically save people you refer to have figured out there is more to life than tweaking SMB config files on their fucking telephone. They just want it to make calls, take pictures and occasionally play a sone or watch a movie on a plane. Yes, the sit down shut up, you’ll have it our way is OHH So GOOOD! Shit just works.

Apparently even thru all this, you feel that the apple hardware is second to none in the laptop market…guess there’s still hope for you. Better beef up on your virus / malware protection cause you just took a stable working platform and turned into a gates virus infested pool.

-Everything you stated was valid until I got to your fifth paragraph, with regards to “…OHH So GOOOD! Shit just works.”. You do realize that translates to “I’m OK giving up freedoms for convenience” don’t you? Does that philosophy apply to all aspects of your life? How would you apply that to the 2nd amendment?

I am attaching a story posted by Edith recently, clearly you missed it the first time around. It is a fairy tale, a fable but it makes a point. it has a nice analogy comparing the seductiveness of socialism/communism to capturing and domesticating wild pigs by repeatedly feeding them in the forest, and slowly building a fence around them.

(on a technical note: If you can browse the file system of your device, and push a file of you choice to an SMB server, I would like to know the name of that app, for my wife’s and kid’s phones of course.)

-What in the hell are you talking about?

Translation is I’m giving up buttons switchs settings knobs group names domain ip UFO port upnp iserherpee and all that other shit cause I just need a phone that takes pics and plays all my stolen pirated content and anything I happen to buy from apple.

It’s a phone not my hobby.

Sent from my iPhone

-Amen

-Bring your own band-aid, put it over the incision from where your manhood used to be before you got an iphone.
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-In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find
In the year 3535
Ain’t gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, and say
Is in the pill you took today

In the year 4545
Ain’t gonna need your teeth, won’t need your eyes
You won’t find a thing to chew
Nobody’s gonna look at you

In the year 5555
Your arms are hanging limp at your sides
Your legs got nothing to do
Some machine is doing that for you

In the year 6565
Ain’t gonna need no husband, won’t need no wife
You’ll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube’ Whoooa

In the year 7510
If God’s a-comin’ he ought to make it by then
Maybe he’ll look around himself and say
Guess it’s time for the Judgement day

In the year 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty head then
He’ll either say I’m pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again

In the year 9595
I’m kinda wondering if man is gonna be alive
He’s taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain’t put back nothing

Now it’s been 10,000 years
Man has cried a billion tears
For what he never knew
Now man’s reign is through
But through eternal night
The twinkling of starlight
So very far away
Maybe it’s only yesterday

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may thrive
In the year 3535
Ain’t gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do or say
Is in the pill you took today ….(fading…)

-That looks like some shit Skyler would post

-Just take the Blue pill and continue your blissful ignorance of illusion.

-In your defense I do understand your frustration. Your whole career has been based on people needing you to fix their computer. So if the computer (or whatever tech device it may be) just works without failing or fucking up then that poses a long term problem for you. Totally understandable. It would just be nice if you simply say so. Maybe you can become a motorcycle mechanic or something. No better yet maybe you should be a professional rc heli pilot.

-My pill is black 64G to be exact!!!!

-Actually, I don’t fix computers or gadgets for money, usually just for friends and acquaintances.

Apple who has kicked off this real paradigm shift in mobile, connected anywhere computing has been a real boon to me. Additionally, the proliferation of the Apple iPad (which is inarguable the most hated by network professionals in the BYOD environment due to its closed system, non-standards based drivers and power management) threatens to have me drowning in work for the rest of my life and then some.

Really, after hundreds of hours of helicopter flightcrew time, 8 of which are combat hours, having been in a Chinook doing radar assisted Nap Of the Earth flight at night with the pilots and crew in NVG… RC is pretty much a joke. Again, the blue pill (<- this is a reference to the movie the Matrix), why would I want to pretend to do something that I have done?

-Yes. I’m holding it for your pickup at Walmart.

-My great LG does.

-How long do you plan on keeping a phone ?

-Yes, this reminds me of another Apple “experience”. We bought my daughter an iPod way back when. Another relative, knowing we were going to get her one, got some kind of deal it plugs into. I think it was speakers or something. It did not work. We didn’t think much about it, just returned it. Later, she wanted to be able to listen to it on her car radio. We got her an FM transmitter thingie a couple months later. I spent some time trying to get it to work for her, but could not. Took it back, went to another store, got a different brand, same outcome. Took it back to. It was several months later when she told me that other people that had them and had these types of devices that did work, the wound not work with hers. So this whole time, it was the iPod that was fucked, not the external devices. About two years later, I got a check in the mail from Apple (I think it was directly from them, don’t remember) for like $12. They said that I had purchased one of the ones that were fucked up and this was my compensation for being fucked. Evidently they knew they sent out a bunch of fucked up ones, but didn’t bother to do a recall, or notify anyone.

-Like Apple is the only company to have ever done such a thing. Had you returned it when you found the problem the first time they might have replaced it.

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The conversation died down after this last message from Edith. It will come up again, as engineers do tend to hold on to arguments as polarized as this one. Until then…

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A few weeks ago, a friend of mine sent me this shot of his bike. After some banter from the others, the comment was made that the inverted forks are unique, but not needed.

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WTF was I thinking. Just got back from lunch. With the wind chill it feels like 120 degrees out!

Heat index, not windchill

It was a joke “little Edith”

Were you not able to find chrome fenders or seats ?

With an additional few hundred lbs of chrome removed and/or powder coated flat black that bike might start to look good.

I does need chrome brake calipers. Thinking about putting a set of apes on it.

Its bone stock except the seat and exhaust. I have added nothing.

You should show a tiny bit of respect. When is the last time you have seen inverted forks on a Harley? Answer: you haven’t. this is the first.

Somehow I knew that was coming

You must be busy today!

I”m basically done, just policing this list for a few more minutes

If I wanted to start a fight, I might point out that my traditional oriented forks, with the benefit of modern technological advances in materials and design, probably apply less un-sprung weight to the front end of my bike than those shiny bastards do to yours.

That’s pretty damn good looking, I’m holding out for a touring model

It’s no fight. I can get more ladies on mine. I win.

Let’s remember what’s important here. I have the fastest bike.
As you were.

Yes, traditionally ladies do tend to go for form over function. I guess that is one reason why The US is now ranked 26th in math.

Why me

I’ll see your bike, and raise you a plane… That’s right, I can fly bitches!

True. You win. I had a 02’ GSXR 1000 before.

Jump out of your plane and prove it

Lets just remember what’s important here: I have the fastest bike that doesn’t feel like its going to fly apart over 30 mph.

Actually Edith’s bike will smoke yours. And mine doesn’t feel like its going to fall apart at any speed.

For once that was not a dig on Harley, have you ridden Ed’s bike? I wouldn’t be willing to ride it at over 40 mph. I had only given minimal thought to yours, but since it weighs three times as much as mine, has twice as much engine, is air cooled, has one or two less gears, is unfaired, and is traditionally geared for torque not HP… I was thinking that I probably have a higher top end, but only marginally.

This, on the other hand is a dig on Harley, or rather the small neighborhood Harley shop…

Just about a year ago, I brought my bike over to the bike shop in my neighborhood. Even though they are Harley centric, I figured they could mount and balance 2 tires, right? wrong! As far as I could tell they used the wrong size master link when putting my chain back on after remounting the rear tire, the pin/rivet was significantly smaller than the ID of the bushing. I had been noticing some weird wear on my chain, it turned out all the wear was in the master link, when the master was between the sprockets the chain was way too loose, if the chain was on the far/outside of one of the sprockets the travel was a little on the snug side. You can see in the pic below where the undersized pin warbled out the bushing (yellow arrow) on one side, and completely obliterated the bushing on the other (green arrow) causing the roller to completely fall free.

So, now $150 and a week on the stands later, I have a new shiny new chain on my cycle (see below) and a nearly new (about 3k miles) chain that I can’t use because what will be left after I grind out and dispose of the damaged links and the ones holding them, it will be 5 links too short for my bike. Woot! Go local business!

Anyone have something with a short swingarm that could use a 525 o-ring chain with about 105 links?

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